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They new Cadillac ATS is a big change for Cadillac. I've never really been too interested in Cadillac apart from the CTS-V. The new ATS and the possible ATS-V seems very interesting on paper vs the 335i. I test drove a 2.0T ATS and I must say it's a fun car to drive. Dare I say as fun a the 335i?

How would you compare it to the Q60? There are more choices on the Q60 in terms of drivetrain. The Q60 might also have a hybrid model. And there is also a choice for Q50 Hybrid and 4 doors. The transmission on the Q60 will likely be more refined vs the ATS as there have been complaints about the manual transmission on the ATS. The CUE system (entertainment and navigation) on the ATS has also gotten negative criticism and I have good confidence the Infiniti new system will be very good.
 

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Ignoring the fact that the ATS is a sedan, cause it can easily attract someone who was originally looking for a coupe I would say it MIGHT have better overall performance than the Q60 judging from Infiniti's past. Infiniti will have to step their game up big time to make the Q60 comparable.
 

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The ATS is a sedan but I'd say its still comparable to the Q60 from a performance aspect. Since the ATS is targetting the 3 series heavily and many people compared the G37 to the BMW 3 series. Cadillac may come out with a coupe of the ATS one day.
 

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The ATS is a sedan but I'd say its still comparable to the Q60 from a performance aspect. Since the ATS is targetting the 3 series heavily and many people compared the G37 to the BMW 3 series. Cadillac may come out with a coupe of the ATS one day.
Cadillac is going to build the Cadillac ATS Coupe, see here:

Motor City Blogman: Cadillac Chief Robert Ferguson Says ATS Coupe Is On; Europe Gets a Diesel



DETROIT – The Robert Ferguson interview began with a question he had heard all day long. This was his last appointment during a Detroit show press preview day that began with the launch of the production Cadillac ELR at the Detroit auto show.

How did he get this job? Less diplomatically, the question might have been worded, “How in the **** did you go from being General Motors’ chief lobbyist in Washington to vice president for global Cadillac?”

“So, I was in Washington, D.C., the last three years. Our largest shareholder was based there…”

“Still is,” I interject.

“There was a need for a lot of attention. But I have a broad business background. I was president and CEO of the enterprise division that became AT&T. Very large, 12,000 salespeople, multi-billions of dollars in revenue. Very sophisticated customers, such as General Motors. At the time, we had the largest broadband network in the world. My background is really much more than a lobbyist, though I really enjoy public policy. I’ve run large sales organizations.”

After three months in metro Detroit, he’s probably noticed that we – not only local journalists but most of the populace – tend to delineate executives into “car guys” and “non-car guys.”

“I’ve noticed that, yes,” the affable, boyish-looking fifty-three-year-old Missouri native responds, a bit tersely.

Ferguson says he was interested in running Cadillac because, “I think it’s a cool job.” That job, he later reveals, though with great subtlety, includes adding a coupe to the ATS range. He won’t confirm bigger-than-CTS models. Cadillac is scheduled to unveil its Mark III CTS, on a longer-wheelbase version of the ATS’s Alpha rear-drive platform, at the New York International Auto Show this spring.

“Cadillac has a good inventory of products, and restoring the American luxury auto provider into the global luxury space is a very appealing job. The product is good, our dealers are talented and motivated, so … really, I took this job because Ed Whitacre called me and said, ‘This is a great American company and we’ve got to help it succeed.’ ”

Whitacre, the post-bankruptcy GM chairman who replaced Fritz Henderson as CEO in December 2009, hired his former AT&T colleague to be vice president for global public policy in 2010. It was the current chairman and CEO, Dan Akerson, who moved Ferguson to Detroit to become GM vice president for global Cadillac, a new position at the corporation, last October. The U.S. vice president for Cadillac, Don Butler, and Cadillac’s chief engineer, Dave Leone, as well as Cadillac’s design staff report to Ferguson.

Car guys might worry about how much influence Ferguson exerts over design and engineering. So far, Ferguson seems to be concentrating on the same issues raised about Cadillac since even before the GM bankruptcy. Ferguson disabused the rumor that Cadillac will soften its Art & Science design language to help sales in China, where Buick styling has long been the preference.

“The testing shows that our styling does very well in China,” he says. “I think our American luxury styling is a great advantage in China. Not a disadvantage.”

The disquieting part of his response is that GM still relies that heavily on clinics. Clinical research seems to be supporting the question of whether Cadillac will move forward with a Mercedes-Benz S-Class competitor and/or an even more upscale ultra-luxury flagship based on the Ciel concept, though Ferguson was non-committal.

“I can tell you that we’re working hard and looking hard at a full line of Cadillac products. The notion of having a larger Cadillac or a flagship Cadillac is intriguing, and certainly the marketing research says there’s opportunity.”

So why not go ahead and do it? One or both?

“We’re looking hard at it,” Ferguson says, adding the age-old future product cliché, “Stay tuned.”

What about Detroit buzz that has Dan Akerson and company cutting corners on product development in order to raise GM stock value?

“I think there’s a strong commitment to growing Cadillac and the resources will be there to do that,” he says, adding, when pressed harder, “I’m confident there’s an understanding and a strong commitment to that.”

Ferguson didn’t quite hold back on the prospect of adding a coupe model to the ATS sedan. Cadillac showed an ATS coupe concept to journalists way back in 2009.

“Our initial plans for ATS that you describe are still our plans,” he says. “That’s a great car, and we need to have variations of it, and we will.”

The original plans didn’t call for a wagon, which Ferguson dismisses outright, or a convertible built off the notch-roof coupe. Even with the European market in the tank, Cadillac will attempt another assault, including with a new diesel engine based on current engine architecture.

Eventually, after I reveal that I came to Detroit from inside the Beltway myself nearly seventeen years ago, the conversation turns back to Ferguson’s car guy status.

“I love cars. And I’ve always had a fascination for cars. I’m a business guy who’s had a passion for cars.”

Any stand out?

“I’ve loved the CTS-V. I’ve loved it since it came out on the market. I love pony cars. Always thought the Camaro was great. My first car was a Mustang.”

It was a 1976 Ford Mustang II. In Ferguson’s defense, no American car was good by 1976. Anyway, his Mustang II had the 302 V-8.
 

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The ATS is a sedan but I'd say its still comparable to the Q60 from a performance aspect. Since the ATS is targetting the 3 series heavily and many people compared the G37 to the BMW 3 series. Cadillac may come out with a coupe of the ATS one day.
The Cadillac ATS is making its way up and getting a lot of appreciation for what it is. So it is a possibility for Cadillac to come out with an ATS coupe. I dont think it will be for a while since the ATS still has to win over the consumers since its a brand new vehicle in the Cadillac roster. But if the sales blows up, who knows right.
 

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The Cadillac ATS is making its way up and getting a lot of appreciation for what it is. So it is a possibility for Cadillac to come out with an ATS coupe. I dont think it will be for a while since the ATS still has to win over the consumers since its a brand new vehicle in the Cadillac roster. But if the sales blows up, who knows right.
I heard the ATS coupe is due for 2015 so chances are if this is true we'll see an ATS coupe come out the same time as the 2016 q60
 

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Audi is also bringing out an A3 coupe and cabriolet, which might just be comparable to the Q60.

I can see something like this happening...

IPL Q60 Coupe vs Audi A3 Coupe

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IPL Q60 Convertible vs Audi A3 Cabriolet
 

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Just an update, Cadillac is getting really serious about it's Cadillac ATS coupe.
Hopefully the 2016 Q60 will be good enough to beat it when it comes to all aspects of daily driving and performance.

But I think the 2014-2015 Q60 (rebadged G37) will be in trouble.
 

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I was pretty impressed by the Cadillac ATS. I thought of that too if they would make a couple then that would help fill up the gaps in their line of vehicles. they have changed fromw aht they used to be. the interior you can tell they did a change of design and yes it does look a whole lot better. this might be the best competitor for the infiniti Q60. Just watch.
 

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I was pretty impressed by the Cadillac ATS. I thought of that too if they would make a couple then that would help fill up the gaps in their line of vehicles. they have changed fromw aht they used to be. the interior you can tell they did a change of design and yes it does look a whole lot better. this might be the best competitor for the infiniti Q60. Just watch.
Yup, the ATS Coupe is a nice addition to their current coupe line-up which only consist of a Cadillac ELR and in the not too distant future, the ATS coupe.

Cadillac needs more coupes, but the same can be said for Infiniti. I think they should come out with an Infiniti M coupe.
 

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The best bet is if they ever consider in making a ATS coupe then that will be the best competitor for the Q60. the Cadillac ELR is in a class of its own, I'm not even sure if its classified as a hybrid or a EV.
 

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that would be a tough choice. The ATS has a turbo engine for me to go mod crazy at reasonable cost. Being in a Z. I can attest to the VQ37hr being a financial PITA to mod. I would have to see them both side by side but, The ATS has the advantage for better powertrain.
 

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The best bet is if they ever consider in making a ATS coupe then that will be the best competitor for the Q60. the Cadillac ELR is in a class of its own, I'm not even sure if its classified as a hybrid or a EV.
Cadillac will be making a Cadillac ATS coupe and Lexus is working on a new IS coupe. 2016 will be a crazy year cause all we're going to see are a bunch of Lexus IS vs Cadillac ATS vs Infiniti Q60 reviews, track tests and road tests.
 

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The best bet is if they ever consider in making a ATS coupe then that will be the best competitor for the Q60. the Cadillac ELR is in a class of its own, I'm not even sure if its classified as a hybrid or a EV.
The Cadillac ELR is hybrid luxury coupe. Based off the Volt platform.
 

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The Cadillac ELR is hybrid luxury coupe. Based off the Volt platform.
I tried doing some research on the Cadillac ELR and it just sounds all too confusing whether its a hybrid or all electric.

being powered by the latest GM EREV technology that combined a pure electric drive and an efficient, range-extending 1.4 liter gasoline-powered electric generator.
 

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It would be exactly the Hybrid Q60's competitor since the Cadillac ELR's based price starts off at $70,000. And the ELR has what its called the shiftless technology so that might just take out all the fun. One long gear...
 

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If I were to buy a ATS I'd definitely wait. First year model = lots of improvements to be made in the future.
 

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It would be exactly the Hybrid Q60's competitor since the Cadillac ELR's based price starts off at $70,000. And the ELR has what its called the shiftless technology so that might just take out all the fun. One long gear...
Actually they do have paddle shifters as well, but they have nothing to do with gears but provide more regenerative power to the electric motor when braking.

 
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