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Engine replacement (2017 Red Sport)

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I haven't posted here in a LONG time, but here's my sad story and a warning about keeping these cars long term:

I pre-ordered my 2017 Q60 Red Sport AWD and took delivery in December 2016. I followed the maintenance manual since then and all servicing was completed at an Infiniti dealer. My car is unmodified other than the OEM sport exhaust with resonators. It's my daily driver, mostly highway, and has never been raced or tracked. Last November at about 93k miles, I started getting cold air from the vents instead of heat whenever I came to a stop. I took it to the dealership, and they said it was low on coolant. They did a pressure test, and it passed. They then discovered coolant was internally leaking past the head gaskets into the cylinders. I have an extended warranty, and they wanted to try replacing the head gaskets first. After that was completed, the car broke down on the test drive. Disassembly showed complete internal failure due to overheat damage. I'm not a mechanic, so I don't want to get involved in a technical discussion about the failure. The bottom line is the long block had to be replaced. I just got the car back this month because it turned into an ugly fight with the warranty company. Gladly, I only had to pay my $100 deductible.

The frequent and major reported engine problems with the Q60 are inexcusable for a "premium" brand. My car only made it five years and 93k miles before a catastrophic failure. I would have been better off buying a Honda Accord and saving $20-30k. This most recent Q60 repair cost almost as much as my car is now worth. The Red Sport is an expensive vehicle. It should be high quality and reliable, but that has not been my experience. I've had to replace several axle seals, the water pump, the coolant pump housing, the brake booster, and the long block.

I've also had two terrible Titan XD trucks over the past few years. The 2016 had an electrical fault that was never fixed after multiple warranty repair attempts. The 2018 that replaced it had an oil pump failure 13 months after I bought it, which resulted in an engine replacement under warranty. Both were outside the mileage limit for the Texas lemon law, so Nissan refused to buy them back. I replaced the 2018 Titan with a 2019 Ram 1500 that's been problem-free. Regarding my Q60, Nissan corporate made it very clear to me they don't care that I've spent over $300k on new Nissan/Infiniti vehicles over the past 20 years, and they don't care if I ever buy one again. Replacing these three defective vehicles well before I planned to has been a financial curse. I will never purchase a Nissan product again.

I've decided to go electric. I ordered a BMW i4 M50 in March. My Q60 is at 95k miles now and has 30k left on its extended warranty. I hope nothing else goes wrong during the 8-10 months until my BMW arrives. I want Nissan and the Q60 out of my life forever.
 
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I wonder if any organization is monitoring in some way engines failures across all the major manufacturers? What happened to 1701-64D is inexcusable. I want to know how prevalent these kinds of massive failures are happening across Infiniti's VR30DDTT engine, as well as the entire industry. Ward's ranks the 10 best engines yearly and had the VR30DDTT DOHC Twin-turbo listed in there in 2018. But I wonder if they or others track them over the years???
 
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I doubt it's tracked. New vehicles and new engines frequently get a lot of praise from the automotive media, but then they move on to the next new thing. For everyone's sake, I hope the engines in the later model year cars have fewer problems. Even though the Q60 is probably being cancelled, the same engine is in the new Nissan Z, and a lot more people will buy those. Just looking at the small sample size that's represented on this forum, there are way too many engine problems. Water pumps, disappearing coolant, blown turbo seals, blown head gaskets, porous blocks, etc.... There are probably enough failures to justify a class action lawsuit if someone wanted to invest the time to make it happen.

What really upset me was Nissan corporate's complete lack of ownership. Even though my car is beyond its manufacturer warranty, I expected them to get involved with the repair and show some interest in the failure. They did not care one bit. I'm lucky I had an extended warranty. Otherwise, I would've had to pay roughly $20k to fix a car worth $27k. No owner of a car that was purchased new and properly maintained should ever be put in that position. I fully understand no vehicle is perfect, and I wasn't really upset about having to use my warranty to replace my brake booster, for example. But a complete engine failure is just not within the realm of acceptable faults for a modern car. I owned three Maximas and a GTR before my three most recent Nissan vehicles, and they were all great. I put 115k miles on my '07 Maxima without an extended warranty, and the only thing I replaced was a $400 heater control unit. Nissan's quality and reliability used to be really good, but now that I've had two engine failures and other problems while owning a '16 Titan, '17 Q60, and '18 Titan, I'm done. I still think the Q60 has some of the best looking sheet metal available from any brand, and I've spent a lot to get mine where I want it cosmetically, but I'm getting rid of it before my extended warranty expires. I now have zero faith in the brand.
 
#7 ·
Easy answer - LS1 swap.

LOL

On a more serious note, it is disappointing that Infiniti is not interested in working with the dealer to investigate your engine failure, especially since it's the basis for the 400Z, which will see a higher % of tracked instances. Quite shameful.
 
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I’m in the same boat. My 3.0 Premium went down at 70042 miles in April. My engine seized. I took it to Infiniti in Timonium and the service advisor I had was no help at all and stated there was sludge and metal shavings in my engine and that’s caused by lack of maintenance, just overall being a complete jerk even though I was using a third party service warranty (mind you the manufacturers power train warranty ends at 70k). I provided my invoices and my warranty company requested a tear down to point of failure. The service department didn’t want to do it because it would “tie up one of their bays too long” I contacted consumer affairs to voice my frustrations with how everything was being mishandled and not even being documented and basically Infiniti Consumer affairs is USELESS! It’s been moved to another shop and they discovered coolant in my oil pan (information Infiniti didn’t think was important to mention to my warranty company or document). So after 3 months I’m back to square one with my warranty company (requesting a tear down) I’m out of thousands of dollars shelled out for transportation, towing cost, etc. and STILL paying a car payment and insurance on a vehicle that no one seems to want to fix. This situation has almost ran me into financial ruin all because Infiniti doesn’t want to actually diagnose what caused the engine to fail. I whole heartedly agree with this post! Stay far away from these leaches at all cost and go with a company that has some integrity and truly cares about their customers and their products.
 
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I’m in the same boat. My 3.0 Premium went down at 70042 miles in April.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. These engines are truly terrible. Mine also had sludge and metal shavings, despite proper maintenance. I was lucky to escape my incident without losing money. I hope the warranty covers your engine. The lesson learned here for everyone else should be to get rid of these cars if not covered by some type of warranty.
 
#11 ·
No need to use me personally, just say that others have said he would give you fair treatment. IMO one doesn't stay at one place as a service rep by ripping people off.
 
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I haven't posted here in a LONG time, but here's my sad story and a warning about keeping these cars long term....

I wonder if any organization is monitoring in some way engines failures across all the major manufacturers? What happened to 1701-64D is inexcusable. I want to know how prevalent these kinds of massive failures are happening across Infiniti's VR30DDTT engine, as well as the entire industry. Ward's ranks the 10 best engines yearly and had the VR30DDTT DOHC Twin-turbo listed in there in 2018. But I wonder if they or others track them over the years???
 
#9 ·
Looks like you're close to Baltimore, have you talked with Byron at JBA Infiniti? He has been there 20 years and I have had good experience with him and this dealership to date.
 
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Beware: JBA is most mod unfriendly dealer in the state. Horror stories of $100 charges to remove a strut bars abound.

Service people are NOT consultants. They are SALESPEOPLE just like the men and women on the showroom floor. They have to make their numbers like anyone else. My closest friend and fellow car nut is a service person for a MD dealership and he readily admits to selling service based on the 'courtesy' inspection cars go through when you bring it in for service. They aren't doing it from the goodness of their heart.
 
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Infiniti Annapolis would be closer then Bethesda for you, I bought mine at Silver Spring which is now a Nissan Dealership, but they told me they would still service my vehicle, but I haven't used them as late.